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smith-j
#21 Posted : Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:43:30 PM Quote
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Donna

I am absolutely appalled by your employer's conduct. I have downloaded the following:-

This factsheet explains the procedure your employer should follow before s/he can dismiss you because you have been off sick. If you have one year’s service and your employer fails to follow the procedure, you may be able to make a claim for unfair dismissal at an Employment Tribunal. Even if you do not have one year’s service, it would be good practice for your employer to follow this procedure. ACAS says that when employees are absent from work for medical reasons, employers should consider:

•how soon the employee’s health and attendance will improve;
•the effect of the absence on the organisation;
•how similar situations have been handled in the past;
•whether the illness is because of a disability in which case the Disability Discrimination Act may apply (see below)
•whether alternative employment can be offered or if reasonable adjustments can be made to the job or working arrangements.
This procedure is not law, but Tribunals expect employers to follow it before they dismiss employees for sickness absence.

Dismissal for long term illness

Besides the steps that ACAS recommend, there are further steps your employer must take before s/he can dismiss you on the grounds of long-term sickness:

•S/he must consult with you about your illness;
•S/he must contact your own doctor or medical representative;
•S/he must offer you another job if possible.
Consulting you about your illness

Your employer must find out about your illness by talking to you in person. An Employment Tribunal ruled that an employer must have discussions with the worker who is ill at the start of his/her illness and at various periods throughout the time the worker is ill.

Your employer should ask for your opinion about your illness. This may include asking when you are likely to return to work and whether you think you will be able to do your old job. Although an employer may ask for your opinion, this does not mean s/he can dismiss you because you were proved wrong about your illness. For example, if you said you would be off work for eight weeks but did not return for ten weeks your employer could not sack you because you misjudged the situation.

Consulting with your doctor

Your employer should consult with your own doctor before s/he makes any decisions about your future employment. Your employer should not contact your doctor without your written agreement. If you agree to let your employer contact your doctor, s/he will probably ask him/her whether you will be all right to return to work in the future. Your employer must give you the option of seeing any medical reports before they do. It is a good idea to see your doctor about what s/he will tell your employer. You can also refuse your employer permission to see the report altogether, or have your own statement attached to it. However, if you do refuse to let your employer see the medical report, s/he may be entitled to dismiss you on the basis of information s/he already has, even if the available medical facts are not enough to give a full description of your illness.

If your employer asks you to visit a doctor who is being paid by him/her, such as a company doctor, and relies on the doctor's advice alone to dismiss you, this may be seen as unfair by a tribunal. Your employer may want you to be examined by a specialist depending on the nature of your illness. If you refuse to see a specialist then your employer may be entitled to dismiss you even if s/he does not know all the facts about your illness.

Suitable alternative employment
After consulting your doctor about your illness, your employer should look at whether there is an alternative form of work that you can do in the company if you cannot continue in your present job. A Tribunal ruled that even when an employer has no suitable alternative employment at the time s/he gives notice of dismissal, s/he should still consider whether there is any alternative work at the actual time of dismissal.

Disability discrimination
Employers must consider alternative employment or making adjustments to working arrangements if the employee in question has a condition which is covered by the Disability Discrimination Act.
Dismissal for persistent short term absences

In cases of persistent short-term absences your employer does not have to follow the procedures laid out for long term absences but is expected to follow either their own contractual capability procedure or, if they do not have one, the ACAS code of practice (COP). See our factsheet Disciplinary and Dismissal Procedure.

However, if you are absent for short periods because of the same illness, your employer should treat these periods of absence as a long term illness and follow the procedure outlined above for dealing with long-term illness.



Disability at Work


This factsheet is about your rights, at work or when applying for work, under the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) 1995 which was amended on 1st October 2005. On 1st October 2010 the government introduced the Equality Act which made it unlawful for employers to discriminate against workers because of “protected characteristics”, disability being one of the characteristics. We are currently producing an updated version of this factsheet, contact us to request updated information when it is available.

Who does the Act cover?

To be covered you must be classed as disabled under the Act, and work in employment which is covered by it. You are classed as disabled if you have a physical or mental impairment which has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on your ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities.

◦Physical impairment: includes impairment to the senses e.g. sight and hearing.
◦Mental impairment: includes learning disabilities and mental illness.
◦Substantial: more than minor or trivial.
Long-term: has lasted or likely to last at least 12 months or for life.
Day-to-day activities: activities carried out by most people on a regular basis and must include one of a list of categories such as speech, hearing or sight, mobility, ability to carry, lift or move ordinary objects.


Donna, you need urgent advice on whether you have been treated fairly and I would question the following:-

1. Was there a formal request in writing to meet you?
2. Were you given the chance to be accompanied?
3. Did he discuss any reasonable adjustments which may enable you to return to work?
4. Has he asked for a report on your health from a GP or Occupational Health?

Donna, I can't stress enough how you need help with this to find out if you are being treated fairly. You have an illness and from what I can see you employer is not taking this into consideration.

Please, please do not be ridden roughshod and get some help either from NRAS, your union or your citizens advice bureau.

Keep us posted.

Take care

Jackie
xx


Jane.
#22 Posted : Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:44:58 PM Quote
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Smile Hi Donna
I've been reading the stuff with your employer, awful, truly awful. Shame we can't pester them with disability discrimination!!
You have support from your nras buddies.
I can vouch, recently I put postings on for pre-op advice on my foot, people are so kind and caring here.

Just a shame companies have to be so up themselves.

Please please please try to let things go over, I try to let stuff wash over, so I don't get stressed and put pressure on me.

I had foot op Wednesday, I shall have more time over the next 6 or more weeks to log on more.

This is the first time I have been sick for almost three years, I got another foot op sometime on the other foot.

Glad nras has put adv you way.

Take care,
Thinking of you.
Some sun coming next week!
Jane
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sylviax
#23 Posted : Monday, June 25, 2012 7:22:29 AM Quote
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Hi Donna - I hope you're feeling OK today and have managed to get some rest. My heart goes out to you, you don't need any more hassle, RA is more than enough. Hopefully your new meds will eventually start to work for you and meantime focus on being as positive as you can be. Today has dawned bright and sunny here, I hope it is with you too - but even if you can't see the sun you know it's always there ready to peep through and brighten our lives. I'm going to have a blood test today - my first since starting MTX - so I intend to wear my brightest jacket over a loose sleeveless top - white so that the nurse has to be extra careful with my arm!- plus my most comfortable shoes. I shall carry my sticks (I see them as my badge of honour these days) and then when I get back I intend to reward myself with some quality me-time - probably watch that episode of Mount Pleasant that I've recorded or read a book curled up with my dog, because I know that I deserve it! And you do too! Enjoy your day and have a good one - best wishes Sylvia xx
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donnalouisec
#24 Posted : Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:35:38 PM Quote
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OMG, I am truly overwhelemed my everybody's responses. You have all been a tower of strength and I hope one day I will be able to return the favour.; I am so glad that I joined this forum as you have all been so supportive and encouraging, your responses have brought tears to my eyes in this difficult time. I really don't know how to thank you all enought.......

Jackie a personal thanks for all the info you gathered for me, I have studied it and can answer some of your questions as follows;.

1. Was there a formal request in writing to meet you? No this was always by telephone or text message, however on the last request he emailed me as well as texting me.

2. Were you given the chance to be accompanied?Yes but I informed him my union rep was unavailable but he still wanted to continue with the meeting


3. Did he discuss any reasonable adjustments which may enable you to return to work? Yes, he kept repeating how management wanted to do everything they could to accomodate me. He even said another manager who lived close to me had offered to drive me to and from work!!! (personally I think this was very cheeky)

4. Has he asked for a report on your health from a GP or Occupational Health?He hasn't asked for a report from my GP or Consultant, however I did have a telephone interview with HR's OH who is a Nurse rather than a doctor, but that was months ago. In this report she suggested that I would be fit for work 6 weeks after starting my Anti TNF drugs and her recommendation was that I start back at work working 5 days 4 hours per day on the first week then 5 hours per day on the second week until we built up to 7.5 hours every day.; I showed this to both my consultant and GP who both said this was far too much and she was not an expert in my medication therfore she should not be making assumptions! I told this to my boss but he just shrugged...

I have my union rep coming to my home to see me at some point this week, but don't hold out much hope. I don't know if you have read his email earlier on in this post but it wasn't supportive at all.

I think I am just going to have to bite the bullett and do as they say. I thought my sleeping pattern was bad with the RA but its none existant now.....

Anyway I will let you all know what the rep says.

Again I am forever grateful for all your kind words

Thank you
Love Donna x
jenni_b
#25 Posted : Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:33:10 PM Quote
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The others are right Donna and your boss, well! I haven't got a nice word....

I've had rotten treatment by a bullying boss once and she put me through capacity when I was actually wanting to carry on at work (with support)
I kept being ill
Needing appointment times off and being admitted into hospital
In fact once she rang the ward demanding lesson plans...!!

She tried everything in the book to get rid of me- she said she didn't read my application form fully and I'd tricked her by appearing competent!

To cut along story short I applied for everything going and eventually got a job short term then got another post where I sought out an employer that would care and support me to work.

This happened

I hope you get a solution.

Sending kind support

Jenni xx
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smith-j
#26 Posted : Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:35:42 PM Quote
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Donna

You are most welcome for the information.

Before you commit to anything I think you should write to HR Department, confirm what you think was said at the meeting with your boss and ask them to confirm that they agree. They should also confirm in writing what they are offering as reasonable adjustments. You should also mention in your letter that they have not consulted your doctor/RA department to find out if you are fit to return to work. Mention that your telephone conversation with a nurse who does not know your current medical condition or about the medication you are taking is not sufficient for them to judge if you are well enough to return to work.

You need to get something down in writing and keep a copy of what you have sent and send it by recorded delivery. You currently have no evidence of what has been said as it would be deemed as hearsay.

As you say you may not get much help from your Union rep but you are going to have to fight your corner. You have rights and your company are not following procedure.

Please do not go back to work until you have something in writing and an o.k. from your GP/RA department. I cannot emphasise strongly enough that you are putting your health at risk.

I completely understand you are worried you are going to lose your job by standing up for yourself, but if you go back to work and become ill again, they will then most probably terminate your employment anyway.

I am so angry on your behalf on how you are being treated.

Keep us posted.

Take care

Jackie
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